"At Mazda: When Our Fans Talk, We Listen."

"mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/" (mxxxxxm24)
03/16/2019 at 12:25 • Filed to: Mazda, Miata, Miatafications, PSA

Mazda has committed to make additional parts, “identified by owners and specialty shops” available for the first generation Miata by June 2019. Mazda currently has “several thousand” parts available for the NA and with this promise to make more available, the future of owning an NA is looking even better! Things like this are why Mazda is my favorite car company.

Here is the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! on Mazda Japan’s site. Hoping we get a US version soon, but this gives you most the information you need! Thanks Mazda!

Starting at 12 min 30 sec into !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! video you can hear (and see if you have the gift of sight) for yourselves! This is also the reveal for the 30th anniversary model.

For those of you saying bad things about Mazda because they will never do another rotary or Mazdaspeed3: They are making very real !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! of them. Not to mention that it is Mazda who made them in the first place.

DISCUSSION (73)

nerd_racing > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 11:49

New hardtops? I’d take one of those, and perhaps new door panels.

WilliamsSW > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 11:51

Sweet! Does this mean I can order an LS directly from Mazda?

Really though, this makes owning an NA even more attractive.

Dogapult > nerd_racing
02/11/2019 at 11:52

I think new hardtops would anger more people than they would help. Plus, not exactly a “restoration” part.

WRXforScience > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 11:52

And yet they called the Mazdaspeed cars childish and won’t make new versions (or a new RX sportscar). It might say something about the company that the NA is considered ‘best’ version of the Miata (at least until the ND and maybe even the ND 2).

Mazda: we make the Miata and Japanese appliance automobiles. Or, Mazda: we haven’t had a great idea since the 90's.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > WilliamsSW
02/11/2019 at 12:00

Haha and yeah I agree it does! Their value is going up even more with this announcement!

WilliamsSW > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 12:01

BRB scouring CL for clean NAs.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 12:09

A rather bleak outlook on Mazda. I don’t think they’ve announced it officially, but I believe they have a new Mazda speed on the way probably shortly after the new 3's come out. They have revealed the new RX as well, but not sure of a release date. Unless something changed with these.

I see them as one of the few companies that actually do give a sh*t about what their customers want. Toyota is following suit now, which is promising.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > WilliamsSW
02/11/2019 at 12:09

Report back!

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > nerd_racing
02/11/2019 at 12:13

I wouldn’t expect hardtops, but perhaps. T his would devalue the (lack of) hardtops available currently and upset people who already paid top dollar for them unless they come out with a high price tag (which is feasible).

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 12:20

They specifically stated Mazdaspeed is dead as a door nail. And their new cars(non-Miata) are highly overrated by journalists.

WilliamsSW > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 12:22

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/kouts-mazda-miata/6805392400.html

51 listings for “ miata” and about 35 of them are not Miata. But there’s a handful that look okay from a distance in the $ 3- 5k range. Rust a big issue here though, so a closer inspection is needed.

Cash Rewards > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 12:23

I can’t agree with this. The NB was great, and had a Mazda speed. The ND is by all evidence an amazing car, and are (very) often setting fastest times at autocrosses, before the power bump. They picked up a niche in the cheap roadster that had been abandoned by triumph/mg/Alfa and done well with it for the past 3 decades. The 3 has consistently been the benchmark drivers car in its segment. Yeah , they’re a business, and have to make financially justified decisions, so no new RX. Anyone else these days making a sports car ha s to do it as a joint venture to justify it. But nobody else picked up that roadster niche, and I’m not sure mg/triumph we’re making them for the 30years that Mazda has.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
02/11/2019 at 12:32

Mazda stated the mazdaspeed is dead? I wasn’t aware if that’s the case. I will say this for their new cars, they are more unique than other manufacturers new cars (which all look almost exactly the same now).

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > WilliamsSW
02/11/2019 at 12:37

That one looks like a hell of a deal though! From what they show at least.

nerd_racing > Dogapult
02/11/2019 at 12:38

91 SE came with a color matched hardtop. That would be a resto part.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 12:50

I have a CX-5 as a loaner. Unique is a nice word.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
02/11/2019 at 13:03

Fair they look a little odd to me, but still I respect them taking chances and trying some relatively radical styling. Though I would have went a different direction...

ateamfan42 > nerd_racing
02/11/2019 at 13:09

New hardtops?

I think Mazda only ever sold hardtops as an option with delivery of a new car. I suspect they never wanted to work out the logistics of safely shipping a hardtop that wasn’t already attached to a car.

WilliamsSW > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 13:36

There were a few that looked decent - this one almost looks too good to be true, even.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Dogapult
02/11/2019 at 13:41

No reason to make current owners who’d like to have one suffer just because some people have overpaid for them in the past.

Will be interesting to see if Honda eventually does this for the S2000.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 13:42

Mazda: we build the cars we have to to keep our company alive.

At least their appliances are most enjoyable to drive than most.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/11/2019 at 13:52

If your company survives but doesn’t produce anything of value, is that really better than just shutting it all down?

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > WilliamsSW
02/11/2019 at 13:57

Yeah I’d be skeptical, but also intrigued enough to check it out

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 14:05

I think you’re being more than a little harsh. The CX-5 and 3 are great, entry-level enthusiast cars (I loved my ‘05 3s hatch). Yes, I’d love to see Mazda give us a RX-9 and bring back Mazdaspeed, but they just can’t afford to (right now, anyway). Better to be thankful for the Miata, and for manuals in their cars. Look at Porsche’s sales numbers - they only can make the awesome sports cars they do because of the Macan/Cayenne/Panamera sales. Maybe if Mazda can break through and start selling like Subaru, we’ll get the cars we really crave from them.

WilliamsSW > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 14:10

Same - but I’m just doing unnecessary car shopping online, and it’s an hour and 20 minutes away.

Somebody here in the Chicago or Indy area might be able to score though!

SpeedSix > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 14:16

I believe Mazda’s basically taking the parts that they’ve restarted manufacturing for the Japanese Eunos Roadster restoration program and making them available here.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/11/2019 at 14:29

What if all Mazda were Mazdaspeed? Turbo all the things! Maybe they can only sell the cars they make and only attract the types of customers who buy those cars.

If you don’t build cars for enthusiasts you won’t get enthusiasts as customers and you won’t create new enthusiasts.

A CX-5 won’t turn anyone into an enthusiast. Hell, I can’t picture one off the top of my head and I’m an avid enthusiast of Japanese cars.

WRXforScience > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/11/2019 at 14:31

If Toyota drops out of the 86 project, Honda should team up with Subaru to make the next (or the one after) BRZ/S30 00.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 14:40

The sad truth is that there aren’t enough of us. The vast majority of consumers are looking for something comfortable, safe and reliable, maybe with some style thrown in.

I disagree that a non-enthusiast car can’t turn someone into an enthusiast. If a person’s first car has a manual transmission (like in the 3), they might get used to the control they get with that, and want it in all future cars . If a person drives a car with good, responsive steering/handling/brakes , they’ll want that in their future car, if not something that’s better across the board.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 14:52

I don’t know about any of that , but the 2011 Mazda 3 Base that I just bought, 2.2L/5sp, is a great driver. Ride’s a little harsh, and road noise is a bit much, but a great driver nonetheless. I am pleased.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > SpeedSix
02/11/2019 at 15:07

Oh yeah I do remember hearing about that program! Yep this is just natural that they would bring those parts to the U.S. then.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/11/2019 at 15:09

I am glad to hear of your satisfaction!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 15:21

Seems like Honda’s getting some of their groove back, thankfully.

Hope they keep it up.

Breakfst > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 16:02

Subaru said the same thing about the WRX, as did Mitsubishi with the Evo. And they both became more refined for the better.

Says something about enthusiasts they they have such a problem with the idea of a car’s design maturing in any manner.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 16:03

Will they listen to me and let me buy the new Mazda3 in AWD and stick with Skyactiv-x?

WRXforScience > Breakfst
02/11/2019 at 16:12

As a counterpoint, take the 2008 WRX. They made it softer and more approachable and even offered an automatic. It was so loathed that Subaru had to do an emergency redesign for 2009 and renamed the remaining terrible version as the “Impreza GT). The Evo no longer exists and the Evo X was worse than the IX but cost more (until they were used then the 8&9 went for higher prices than the 10).

Or, look at the ND vs NC M iata. Mazda made a bigger M iata using the RX8 chassis (which again was bigger and softer than its predecessor and is now worth less than the older cars) only to make what most consider the worst Miata.

netnerd007 > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 16:15

They made some very spor ty cars that people loved however the majority of the car buying public favored vanilla bland Toyota. Do u expect them to continue down the path of designing cars that only a small number of people buy? This is a business after all.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb
02/11/2019 at 16:20

I in no way speak for Mazda when I say, “Most definitely.”

Terrible Gerbil > WRXforScience
02/11/2019 at 17:28

I came here to say exactly your fist sentence. Calling us childish was a huge gut punch and massive PR gaff.

“Mazda hasn’t had a good idea since the 90s”

To play devil’s advocate a bit: It’s not that they haven’t had a good idea since the 90s. A big part of it is that the Japanese auto industry isn’t as flush with cash now compared to then. And then add to that general NA auto consumers going bonkers over crossovers and it just fuckin sucks.

TRD Rav4's?!?! FFS.

Terrible Gerbil > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/11/2019 at 17:33

Can you link us to any legit stories regarding the Mazdaspeed and RX? Becuase everything I’ve read recently says the absolute opposite of your claim.

There is no Mazdaspeed coming (too expensive to develop and to o childish for their current market .)

And the idea of a new RX is kinda laughable. Nope.

What you’re claiming sounds like gossip from 10 years ago.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Terrible Gerbil
02/11/2019 at 18:15

Maybe I just heard rumors. I know the rx reveal video was sent to me from Mazda (email). I’m not saying it wasn’t still a concept, but it seems feasible. Especially with the new Supra out.

Breakfst > WRXforScience
02/12/2019 at 12:46

Definitely a subjective point depending on the maturation timeline we talk about.

But personally I think the current gen ND Miata and WRX out-perform their predecessors quite well. I say that as someone who misses the hatchback quite a bit. The EVO X might not have the same credit as the VIII/IX in mod-ability, but stock for stock the MR is an improvement despite giving up row-your-on.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/12/2019 at 12:58

Unfortunately, from what I've read, it seems unlikely to happen. Iirc they don't plan to offer stick+AWD, even though they've said they could do it.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb
02/12/2019 at 16:52

Maybe though... ???

MM54 > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
02/16/2019 at 13:28

MAZDA, MAKE FB PARTS AGAIN

ranwhenparked > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 12:44

Im a fan, and I'm saying that they should do a new AZ-1, for the US this time.

ranwhenparked > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 12:47

Theyd get over it, just like the people who paid top dollar for a “la st ever" convertible in 1976.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > ranwhenparked
03/16/2019 at 13:03

The original az-1 shared some parts with the miata, why not?!

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > ranwhenparked
03/16/2019 at 13:05

haha agreed... except, what do you mean last ever convertible?

Jarrett - [BRZ Boi] > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 13:43

I may get corrected on this, but it I remember correctly; w ith the continued advancement of safety standards, there was worry that convertibles would never be able to meet them, and nobody would be able to build them going forward.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/16/2019 at 13:46

Mazda certainly doesn’t deserve all the praise it gets. My dad has a Mazda6. It has a fairly upmarket interior for the segment, certainly nicer than most camrys or altimas I’ve sat in, about on par with modern Honda’s.

However it is not a drivers car. The steering is far too heavy, the 2.5 has almost no torque and it’s insane they haven’t offered a more powerful engine until recently , the transmission is dim witted, the big wheels and rubber band tires make for a pretty unrefined ride.

It’s not a bad car by any means, but if it’s indicative of the brand as a whole, then Mazda is highly overrated.

Jarrett - [BRZ Boi] > ranwhenparked
03/16/2019 at 13:47

I feel like one of those guys right now. I’m sitting on a hard top despite selling the car. Sadly, it was worth more for me to keep it and try to sell it separately rather than deal it into the car.

ranwhenparked > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 14:11

NHTSA was considering a ban on convertibles during the ‘70s, so the Big Three all phased theirs out around 1976. Some dealers charged stupidly high markups, as expected, and people were buying Eldorados and the like and sticking them in hermetically sealed storage as investment pieces. The ban obviously never happened, and when the domestics started reintroducing a wider selection of convertibles during the ‘80s, a lot of people got pissed.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Jarrett - [BRZ Boi]
03/16/2019 at 14:12

Ha well it makes sense. They really are very unsafe. Why I have a roll bar.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > ranwhenparked
03/16/2019 at 14:15

Hahaha that’s pretty funny though. There is always risk in investment. Anyone who gets mad at anyone but themselves about losing out, is silly.

ranwhenparked > Jarrett - [BRZ Boi]
03/16/2019 at 14:16

I recently stumbled across a very clean, fairly low mileage, blue ‘91 with a hardtop for sale in front of a small body shop, down the street from a dental office where I was making a sales call. They were asking $5900, it seemed kind of tempting, although it is an automatic. Wonder if its worth it? What would the car and top go for separately?

Jarrett - [BRZ Boi] > ranwhenparked
03/16/2019 at 14:46

Good hardtops are worth $1000-1200 + with defrost and headliner+all hardware . Honestly, I only found that I slapped the hard top on to store it in the winter. It is required for some racing leagues, I think (I don’t race unfortunately!)

I would hold out for a manual, personally. The automatics appear to be priced well because literally nobody wants them. Not to mention that early 90s automatics are complete heaps of trash :)

ranwhenparked > Jarrett - [BRZ Boi]
03/16/2019 at 14:48

Yeah, I would hazard a guess that the previous owner (allegedly a single owner car) used it as a commuter. This was pretty close to DC, lots of folks drive in. Probably just wanted a sporty looking highway cruiser and decided the Reatta was too GM.

Give Me Tacos or Give Me Death > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 17:08

I will never understand this reasoning. The original will always be worth more than the replica. And this way, people can have a replica if they want.

Saablifechooseme > WRXforScience
03/16/2019 at 17:42

I have to agree I feel like Mazda has turned their backs on enthusiasts and has gone mainstream. N o longer is it a quirky Japanese automobile company instead it is a factory of churning out bland sedans and the evergrowing amount of SUVs. Mazda hasn’t had a fun car since the axed the speed 3 (Miata aside). They’re quote-unquote hatchbacks are so small you might as well get us a sedan, they’re no longer utilitarian and customer oriented you can’t get a turbo and a manual together and don’t get me started on how the Mazda 6 hasn’t had a wagon version or a speed 6 or an all-wheel drive version in over a decade. All of these things that they use to have were what gave Mazda a solid following and a loyal base now it’s just turned into a blase car company trying to make as much money as possible from people dis interested in Toyota in Honda and cleaning up the scraps of those who used to have Ford and GM sedans and compacts. With that said Mazda is not the only one most car companies are no longer spirit oriented they’d rather make boring CVT driven cars.I just feel like it's a cheap and sloppy argument when Mazda says it cost them too much to have a modern speed 3 or speed 6 and in a market where it looks like wagons are starting to make a comeback I really think Mazda could take the lead in the Japanese car market by bringing out a Mazda 6 wagon or an entirely new wagon.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/16/2019 at 19:42

Big Mazda fan here, but they really need to make another manual-transmission equipped mini-minivan for sale here in the US. What the heck - maybe they should make twelve or thirteen of them since that’s about all the market seems to want.

Kinja'd!!!

They’ll have use them internally as company cars so that they can be sold as used vehicles at a discount to us Jalops. In the meantime I shall hang on to my 2012, bought new, until that day arrives... :P

J Clark > KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb
03/16/2019 at 19:52

If you can’t get straight answers o n topics like this from your Mazda dealer, don’t blame them. I’m a Mazda salesperson, and corporate is notorious for not keeping us up to date. Often, we’re the LAST to know anything, and yes- it’s frustrating. I absolutely love the product, but when they can’t get even the most basic info correct on their website...

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
03/16/2019 at 21:58

Fair enough. That’s a nice minivan.

PardonMyFlemish16 > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/17/2019 at 17:37

Oooooh, real concepts!

Cam > mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/
03/17/2019 at 23:07

If Mazda was really listening we would have a new rx7

DoomsdayMelody > WRXforScience
03/18/2019 at 00:59

They called the previous iterations of mazdaspeeed immature. They were. The speed3 torque steered like it had a transverely mounted LS-7 under the hood. And the 2.3 MZR DISI’s HPFP was massively undersized, you could fuel starve the engine under the right operating conditions. They aren’t going to build an RX car because of emissions, never mind that the current ND is more powerful than the mazdaspeed MX-5, apparently none of this is progress to you? They have a better turbo engine, they have better, more refined engines and drivelines all around. Sure, the cars might not have a mazdaspeed badge but overall the average Mazda is faster and better handling than they’ve ever been in the brands history. The best part is that you have the audacity to claim that they haven’t had a good idea since the 90’s. Have you heard of skyactiv-x? Hell the entire skyactiv architecture was a massive step forward for them, better performance, less weight, better fuel economy. Sure, you still can’t get an AWD Mazda 3 or Mazda 6, but no one really needs AWD. I’m sure some idiot will get on here and argue that they need it, but realistically the only difference between AWD and FWD (or RWD) is the length of chain you need to get the car unstuck.

Mazda is one of the only companies that has been actually implementing improvements that, while they may not make a huge difference on a spec sheet, pay dividends on the road.

DoomsdayMelody > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/18/2019 at 01:14

I think it depends what your looking for in a car. I can get behind the wheel of my girls Toyota Prius Prime, and understand why people would think it’s nice. It gets absurdly good fuel economy, it’s quiet, it isolates you from the road really well, and it does it’s best to never surprise you. I get why some people think that that makes a “ good” car. I tolerate it. Don’t get me wrong, in the right circumstance that car shines, even to me I get that there are circumstances I would rather be driving that Prius than I would my Fiesta ST.

But let’s talk about what makes my Fiesta a great car (from my perspective). Let’s talk similarities first. It’s a hatch, albeit a smaller one, and as such it’s surprisingly utilitarian. I can fit a lot in the back, even if I’d never recommend it as a people hauler (2 can fit comfortably) it works if you need to move anything other than two people and their stuff. Now, the differences: It has an addictive personality about how it moves down the road. I’ll save you the exaggeration of saying it’s a fast car, b ut it certainly isn’t slow. It’s relatively thrifty at the pump when you want it to be, but it can also mean business when you want to bury the skinny pedal. The steering wheel, the tires, and the brake pedal all communicate with you, the driver. It doesn’t do a good job of isolating you from the road, but it does an excellent job of telling you what is going on with the road underneath you and the car in general. I’ve come to appreciate this sensation in cars, but it doesn’t mean that I don’t understand why people would want a numb car.

And all of this has been an extremely long winded way of winding up for this counter argument: Mazda does a superb job of straddling the fine line between communication and isolation in regards to their chassis dynamics. If you are in the group that appreciates the numb quiet ride, I don’t expect you to understand the utter genius that goes on in Mazda’s products. But if you can understand both camps, if you want a car that can communicate and can isolate that is where Mazda’s vehicles really work.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DoomsdayMelody
03/18/2019 at 15:16

No they don’t. The problem with the CX-5, is that it has the refinement of a tractor, and the sporty feel of a Prius. It’s a compromise that just sucks.

DoomsdayMelody > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/18/2019 at 16:12

Drive a Rav4. Drive a CRV. Drive a Santa Fe. The CX-5 does a better job of communicating what’s going on than most crossovers in its price range and even in the price ranges above it. Granted the cars Mazda makes cars that do this better than their crossovers, just the nature of the beast when you take the same chassis, add weight and put it on stilts. I’d argue that, acceleration aside, the CX-5 matches the X3 in terms of chassis communication and overall comfort. Granted there’s a bit more wind noise, but you can’t really complain about that given the price difference.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DoomsdayMelody
03/18/2019 at 16:20

If communication means horrid ride, tires that have no traction(my 4" lifted 4Runner corners faster in any condition), and horrible understeer, then sure. I’ve driven the Tiguan and Rav4, and they are leaps and bounds better. The internet sucks off Mazda far too much.

KillerRaccoon - Group J's Sébastien Loeb > J Clark
03/18/2019 at 20:17

I don’t blame the dealer at all. I’m not looking to buy a new car for a year, maybe two, anyways. It’s just from the news I’ve read it seems like they could, but probably won’t, make my desired (or mild compromise) drivetrain configurations.

DoomsdayMelody > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/19/2019 at 12:31

Ok, so you’re just a troll. Thank you for your time.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DoomsdayMelody
03/19/2019 at 13:25

Nope, it’s just that damn loud.